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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.01 07:42:00 -
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Well this is certainly interesting. I think Ragnar has gone off the deep end. Skyleach I wouldnt be too critical Evolution is more or less a pirate group too with their poddings of innocents in Lonetrek. Im still waiting to see the evidence they had to even start this war (I dont think there is any but thats my personal opinion). I certainly agree buying hits on people is wrong but Ive not seen any evidence they did this before the war? While I certainly agree theyve been very arrogant I feel a little sorry for them for being the constant whipping boy of Eve. No one really deserves this level of hatred. I do believe Evolution has no intention of leaving Venal and will eventually throw those other companies out. We'll have to wait and see I guess but I hope everyone pays attention.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.01 09:41:00 -
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I think its unfortunate Mr. Nimitz is running away. He seemed to be the one honest person in TTI. I agree TTI has been maligned for sometime and often unjustly. I would encourage him to start his own company and stay in the game. If he does this I'm sure Evolution and everyone else would just leave him alone wouldnt they? How about it Mr. Nimitz? Stay and start a new company or go to work for someone else? Your an honest man I'm sure someone would be happy to take you in? You really dont belong at TTI anyway your not like them.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.01 11:02:00 -
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Jobe, Your exactly right. These so called alliances have become a scourge on EVE. In fact I'm convinced the constant exploiting and griefing early in the game be "certain" companies is the reason we dont have higher level content now. Instead of coding stations and mobile depots for us the developers were busy trying to deal with exploiter PvP types who were killing people in 1.0 space (I'm not naming names everyone knows who you are). Theyve had to spend so much time dealing with this PvP garbage that the rest of Eve and its content has been ignored. Endless war is what some of these people want yet there are far better games for that out there then Eve?
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:14:00 -
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I had a question about the Venal Alliance. Was there any agreement put down in writing as to what corporations were expected to do? I see alot of people claiming to "do everything" or other corps not "living up to obligations" and I was wondering what those obligations were?
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 02:28:00 -
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It has become that way already. Look at the months of posts from people obsessed with TTI and the other megacorps. This is sadly panning out just like Planetarion and will end the same I'm sad to say. 
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 03:03:00 -
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Jade, I speak of all the anger that came before you. Ask yourself is it justified given the scope of the actions they committed or was it unjustified? Yes they are the whipping boy for everyone which in a way is a shame because there are probably good people there. I must admit I wouldve quit already if I had been subject to the months of this flamefest they have been. People need to take a serious look at their own actions before they talk like this about anyone.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 03:14:00 -
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Yoshukun, This is a good post but again we see the arrogance of TTI. Certainly much of this hatred is unjustified (attack the biggest) but you continue to stoke the fires of anger by being mightier then thou. A little humility goes a long way toward winning allies (or at least making peace). Maybe you should try it?
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:21:00 -
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"Ummm, when was TTi going to get to the fighting bit? Cause all the VA guys are doing is screaming about how TTi was sitting on its collective arses rather than wage an expensive war along side their "allies"."
To be honest Mr. Overkill I'm not sure who to believe here. Youve got one side claiming TTI did fight and the other saying they didnt. I guess Id ask what crime was done to Hayden Driveyards by TTI? You seem to have first hand knowledge of their CEOs actions I assume they ripped off your company or something? Or is your attack just trolling to pile on with the rest of these people? I was criticized yesterday for questioning a sneak attack by Critical Mass as "being someone who runs around posting about stuff I know nothing about" (more or less a quote). I commented perhaps that is what everyone is doing here. So you say Ragnars bull****. I dont care for the man either but perhaps you could tell us all what he did to you that gives you firsthand knowledge he rips people off and backstabs? Or are you like the other ninety percent of people who simply post trolling flames to pile on the topic of the day? A await your answer with anticipation. Thank you.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:29:00 -
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No one has bothered to answer my question. Were the obligations of VA membership spelled out in any contract? Did your corps specify anything about anything or were you just an informal group? Perhaps that is the problem. At least if you had something in writing it would be clear who broke what agreement. I can only imagine the reaction of lets say Great Britain if in 1945 the United States had negotiated its own surrender with Germany and left the UK out of it. I would probably be a little upset too. Personally I think this thread is full of 100% lies and misquotes. Neither side has shown any integrity in this matter and the rest of the people jumping on hating TTI have shown no class. Everyone is so ready to condemn them yet they fail to ask why this war was even started. Evolution has to date failed to present ANY evidence of the so called "crimes" of TTI. Where is all the passion and hate for the aggressor here who acknowledges attacking another corporation for no reason? I hope you all realize they will become bored fighting TTI and SI and turn their attentions to other corporations. They act like neighborhood bullies and must be exposed. I think TTI is arrogant and I dont think Ragnar should remain as leader given the outburst. That aside I think the entire community needs to look at why this war even started and what proof of crimes was present. All weve seen is a "chatlog of X's and Y's" and a screenshot taken after the war was well underway showing a payoff. Nothing has been presented to justify this attack. Keep in mind YOUR corporation may be the next target of Evolution. If it is consider they may use the same evidence (that being none) and say the same thing about YOUR corporation. Wake up people.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:33:00 -
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Tristan, So Critical Mass has a policy of killing other corporations it considers competition? Boy thats real "honest" Im sure you a member of the better business bureau with company standards like that. Im sure everyone is happy to know you ambushed a company just doing its thing and "slapped their face" as you put it. I have to agree with some carebears on this. PvP is part of the game. It was never meant to be the only part. Then again if you cant win at one part (like manufacturing) you can just kill someone right? This game is so unbalanced. Thank you.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:37:00 -
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Jade, No I am not an alt of someone. Im just someone who bought this game hoping for more then its turned out to be. Ive only played three weeks and a few days yet I think the title "Space Killers" would be more appropriate. As for my impression of the community this has to be the worst forum community Ive ever seen. I thought the name calling was bad over at Plat but this is much worse. The maturity level of some posters is obviously very low. Im upset we dont have Tech II content and other innovations in game because CCP has had to focus on the actions of misfits, griefers and exploiters who seem to pop up in every game. This is my 7th MMPORG and by far the community here is the worst. Thank you.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:56:00 -
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Mr. Overkill. You posted this:
"I think Ragnar does what is best for Ragnar and TTi like most real life Corporations except that somewhere along the way he forgot this isn't real life and the rules are different here. Both in keeping score and how you relate to others.
I think that games are about cooperation and enjoyment, not changing sides every time the wind shifts, or pitting mutiple sides against each other or trying to enforce HIS ideals upon the rest of us. "
I think that is a common misperception with the game. I was under the impression CCP wanted RL like corporations to exist in Eve. I guess I'm also wondering how you feel any can force their ideals on anyone in a game? Thank you.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:56:00 -
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Mr. Overkill. You posted this:
"I think Ragnar does what is best for Ragnar and TTi like most real life Corporations except that somewhere along the way he forgot this isn't real life and the rules are different here. Both in keeping score and how you relate to others.
I think that games are about cooperation and enjoyment, not changing sides every time the wind shifts, or pitting mutiple sides against each other or trying to enforce HIS ideals upon the rest of us. "
I think that is a common misperception with the game. I was under the impression CCP wanted RL like corporations to exist in Eve. I guess I'm also wondering how you feel any can force their ideals on anyone in a game? Thank you.
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